Hi, I am living in Chinese area but I can't really read well enough to do ebike research. But what I can get are Chinese bikes or Asian bikes for local prices.
1. Could you please list some go-to Chinese brands and model names that are tried and proven over time?
2. I am looking for brand name quality without the brand name price. Does that exist for Chinese brands?
3. Desirables: long range like 75 km and up battery, top speed would be about 40kmh most seem to be limited to 25 kmh which is simply too slow to flow with even slow traffic. Good acceleration. Second seat. Thicker tires.
4. I have experience with a Giant ea-401 and I am not impressed. It's 36 v 10 A and I feel very underpowered with no range either. Maybe I am expecting too much. But perhaps a 48 v and 20 a bike would be nicer? Should I consider building my own ebike yet I don't have many skills in that department.
Hi, I am living in Chinese area but I can't really read well enough to do ebike research. But what I can get are Chinese bikes or Asian bikes for local prices.
1. Could you please list some go-to Chinese brands and model names that are tried and proven over time?
2. I am looking for brand name quality without the brand name price. Does that exist for Chinese brands?
3. Desirables: long range like 75 km and up battery, top speed would be about 40kmh most seem to be limited to 25 kmh which is simply too slow to flow with even slow traffic. Good acceleration. Second seat. Thicker tires.
4. I have experience with a Giant ea-401 and I am not impressed. It's 36 v 10 A and I feel very underpowered with no range either. Maybe I am expecting too much. But perhaps a 48 v and 20 a bike would be nicer? Should I consider building my own ebike yet I don't have many skills in that department.
In China 48v and 25kmh are reported to be the legal limits for ebikes as opposed to scooters. TAIL-G Lithium powered moped models might work for carrying an adult passenger on flat land, but even the Lithium battery models are heavy eg this model weighs 39kg/85lb - the battery/controller puts out 900w peak power so you would be better off buying an electric scooter or motorcycle if you need more power/speed to keep up with traffic or climb hills.
The EU published a list of Chinese ebike exporting producers as Annex 1 of this document in their investigation of illegal dumping last year, this is a subset of the >700 Chinese ebike manufacturing companies, but you might like to look that up to research bicycle style ebikes and use Google translate, but it's not a complete list of brand names as typically manufacturers sell ebikes under a variety of brand names eg Tianjin Fuji-Ta make 'Battle' brand ebikes, and Tianjin Golden Wheel make 'Totem' brand ebikes, etc. Also look at Aliexpress.com, and ask your local bike shops what they carry and if you do identify a few models ask if they would be prepared to work on them. Accurate information such as domestic retail locations is relatively inaccessible outside China behind the internet Great Wall and the language barrier.
And gentlemen, here we are:
My final choice pending your approval: This is the OEM bike for which brand in the US? I believe this may be the Ride1Up 500 or the Voltbike bravo
Two sellers have quoted me around $800 shipped. This is before any bargaining.
For that price, I'm getting:
500 W motor, 48 V
48 V * 13 A battery using LG cells
Shimano 21 gear 7 *3
Kenda tires
Having integrated front and tail lights is important to me; I don't want to add a clip no and keep having to recharge it every week. I can't tell if it's integrated from the pics, but the sales guy said they have lights.
No speed limit, again all I really want is 35 kmh at my disposal should I need it one day.
I realize the warranty will be basically nonexistent, but any bike that I buy with the exception of Giant would effectively have a nonexistent warranty anyway.
*thumb throttle * which I have never used before but I really want to change this, but it's not allowed.
Question 1: will I be capable of changing this myself, or can a local bike shop easily change this to a half-twist or full twist throttle? I'm pretty sure I won't like a thumb throttle.
Question 2: This bike can be made with a 350W , 48V motor as well at about a $150 cost savings. Should I save the money, making this thing around $650 shipped.
Question 3: Would you buy this bike if you were in my shoes? Again the main brand around here is Giant at a cost of $-$+ US dollars for a mid motor drive which is way out of my range. I can only spend around $800 given that I am not paid in dollars anymore.
Edit: Looks like a couple replies are coming in thanks. I live in Taiwan, so I can't buy a Radpower bike, for example. Otherwise, believe me, I would. I have every reason to believe that Alibaba is rolling the dice; but buying locally is also rolling the dice in my personal situation because everything is coming over unaltered from China, but with way higher prices. Might as well cut out the middle man.
Oh well might as well throw this model, my runner up, for your opinion: Himo C26 (It's from Xiaomi, whose other products I've found to be good quality). It's around $650 shipped.
As a long time shopper of various "toys", one thing I learned is that when you go cheap and buy something that you think will satisfy your needs, you realize shortly after the purchase the various issues or shortcomings of the product. You then think about selling your used product at a fraction of your original purchase price, so that you can get a better product. Sometimes you go through couple of iteration of this ending up spending a lot more money than if you had just purchased the higher quality product in the first place.
I would seriously think about what your drop dead max budget is and look for the best ebike that meets that budget. Otherwise, you'll likely end up with buyer's remorse rather quickly.
Watt Wagons has a rather affordable new ebike in the works that should check all boxes with high quality components, low to no maintenance, with a powerful mid-drive motor. You can message the owner (@pushkar) directly as he's active daily and highly regarded on this forum
Hey everyone, I am happy to announce a brand new addition to the Watt Wagons family - the incredible City Commuter - a full featured ebike built for city commuting, includes battery, fenders, rack, front and rear lights, carbon fork, carbon handlebar, AND kickstand at right around 50 lbs! I...
Yes, it's 3 times what you are considering, but you get exceptional customer support and a peace of mind that more than makes up for it. All low end components break or wear sooner rather than later with some part you may end up replacing immediately like seats, seatpost, racks, fenders, etc. which quickly add up. Most of us on EBR have experienced this.
Ultimately it's your choice and I can't speak to your personal needs. It's just some advice before you decide to go down a road that you may end up regretting.
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Electric vehicles have been making inroads with traditional consumers for years, but they haven't been as popular with motorcycle enthusiasts ' until now. Many manufacturers have created their own line of electric motorcycles to appeal to more environmentally conscious consumers.
Considering these vehicles have only been on the market for a few years, they tend to be much more expensive than their gas-powered counterparts. Beginner electric bikes and motorcycles can go for just a few thousand dollars, while electric motorcycles from Harley Davidson and Zero usually start at around $20,000 or a few thousand more. Davidson recently lowered the price of its flagship Livewire electric motorcycle from just under $30,000 to $22,000.
Compare with the average price of a gas-powered motorcycle. Beginner bikes usually go for around $5,000 to $10,000, while more experienced riders usually go for bikes in the $10,000 to $15,000 range. However, high-end gas-powered bikes can go for as much as $30,000 or more.
Going electric may be about the same or more than buying a gas-powered motorcycle depending on your budget and preferences. You can also easily find a used gas-powered motorcycle, which can help you save more upfront. Finding a used electric motorcycle is rare, as they are usually just a few years old. Prices for electric motorcycles will likely come down in the years to come as this technology becomes more popular.
So, why are electric motorcycles so much more expensive than gas motorcycles?
While electric motorcycles don't have a clutch, gearbox, drivetrain, oil, spark plugs and other components needed for combustion, they need other components to hold a charge, some of which can be quite expensive. Electric motorcycles need a battery, battery charger, motor, motor controller and other various components to store electricity.
Because they are powered with electricity, these bikes also have to be waterproofed to prevent electrocution and battery failure.
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Fuel Costs for an Electric Motorcycle
The price of gasoline will continue to change on a dime, making your fuel costs hard to predict. Gas-powered motorcycles usually cost around $20 to $30 to refuel, depending on the size of the tank.
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